You are not logged in. For the Urea Glue you need to use the grey rubber roller. Whatever it is, they have worked well for me (even w/ unfilled PVA and porous quarter grain veneer). WOODWEB, Inc. Have you tried or looked into any of the single component glues made just for cold pressing?I think titebond makes one,and another one called Better Bond.I know they have a shorter working time,but if you can deal with that,they might be worth trying. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. Sawmill Gallery At least with unfilled PVA's, there is a fine line between 100% veneer coverage and porous quarter grain bleed through. Granted we are working with some really coarse 1/16" White Oak and cross bands, but we used almost a gallon of glue to do 4 door stiles - 90 s/f. 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Excel 5™ View higher quality, full size image (1600 X 1200) 2/12       #15: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Helping professional furniture makers improve quality, save time, and increase profits ... I end up with a notch 1/16 wide and 1/32 tall. I would also suggest looking at the MSDS sheet for the glue. The name you enter in this field will be the name that appears with your post or response (return to form). Enter the correct numbers into the field below: It is recommended for high frequency and hot or cold press, edge and face gluing and finger joint applications. Forum users may perceive your references to specific products as unsolicited advertising (spam) and consciously avoid your web site or services. Buy & Sell Exchanges | Forums | Galleries | Other Resources | Site Map TiteBond I and II are somewhat water resistant, with II much more so than I, so indoor use is just fine. Contact WOODWEB Member (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); At least with unfilled PVA's, there is a fine line between 100% veneer coverage and porous quarter grain bleed through. Shedding light on the all-too-often shadowy world of CAD. Hello David, Not thorough enough mixing of the powder apparently. The waterproof formula passes the ANSI/HPVA Type I water-resistance specification and offers superior bond strength, longer open assembly time and lower application temperature. Even with my relatively low notch area, I can get unacceptable bleed through if I'm not careful about cleaning up/removing excess glue - pressure and angle can make a big difference. Refer a Friend || Read The Titebond 5004 II liquid adhesive has quite a lot going for it. Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. Put it in the vacuum bag and there is glue coming out everywhere. /* set a cookie now for this message */ You will not have any springback or creep with these glues. Veneer Glue Solid Content My chief frustration comes from not knowing how to get the proper coverage. View higher quality, full size image (1600 X 1200) Thread Related Files posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. do not submit this request ... you are already signed up The info I got from them was to mix with a power mixer let it sit for 5-10 min. Post a Response to this thread On the other hand any glue rate for RF curing will give a hard glue line. They advertised all the frustrations and inaccuracies of hand tool woodworking, so people like sheep as they commonly are said baaah and bought machinery. ... 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Yes, the quoted statement went on to say "The only exception was Titebond Polyurethane, which failed under a very acceptable average of 1,650 psi of shearing pressure". It works well for veneer glue ups. Granted we are working with some really coarse 1/16" White Oak and cross bands, but we used almost a gallon of glue to do 4 door stiles - 90 s/f. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. ... Professional woodworkers display and describe their shop facilities, products and equipment Shedding light on the all-too-often shadowy world of CAD. Messages and responses that are crafted in a professional and civil manner strengthen this resource. (return to form) Titebond 50 is a ready to use, fast setting aliphatic resin emulsion adhesive with excellent heat resistance. The info I got from them was to mix with a power mixer let it sit for 5-10 min. ... Montrose, PA 18801 Because of this, I had to do 6 different pressings to complete the project. At least with unfilled PVA's, there is a fine line between 100% veneer coverage and porous quarter grain bleed through. 2/11       #14: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Industry News Part 5 Vacuum Press Gallery 1 There are many different sizes and shapes (V-notch, square-notch). Bag Closures Messages and responses that are crafted in a professional and civil manner strengthen this resource. WOODWEB's forums are a highly regarded resource for professional woodworkers. John - We have the mixing down - lots of work and time to get rid of all those little lumps, and we have the temp easily at 70 or over (sweatbands in place), so it is coverage that I feel lost with. Thread Related Link and Image Guidelines After months of re-formulating and tweaking these adhesives, I believe you will find the Better Bond adhesives the absolute best. 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I believe the price is somewhat excessive as it is only expires = "; expires=" + date.toGMTString(); Forestry Forum Copyright © 1996-2021 - WOODWEB ® Inc. $('.thumbsupimg').hide(); For the Urea Glue you need to use the grey rubber roller. If any little clumps remained they needed to be broken up and mixed in again. Repeated Forum Abuse: if($('.thumbcount').html() != "1") { Messages should be kept reasonably short and on topic, relating to the focus of the forum. IIRC 5-7 mils is recommended. The edge banding comes in What is safe for one woodworker under certain conditions may not be safe There are many different sizes and shapes (V-notch, square-notch). WOODWEB suggests that companies responding to such a question provide detailed and substantive replies rather than responses that read as a one-sided product promotion. 1/16" notched trowel. Excessive forum participation by an individual upsets the balance of a healthy forum atmosphere. The V notches are approximately 1mm (1+ edge, 1- legs) on 3mm centers. ____________________ Even so, thickness can vary depending angle and pressure. var date = new Date(); Project Gallery $10.99. Armed with just the data below, I think you'll find that X-Press veneer glue does indeed offer a better bond. Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. Second, regarding glue, I am one of those people ardently opposed to contact cement for veneer. Learn how to improve your output, find new markets, and boost sales of your lumber products Don't be fooled by other adhesives that claim a ridiculously high level of solid content. var date = new Date(); Quick View. Contact WOODWEB Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. $.post( "/cgi-bin/forums/thumbs.cgi", { id: "755548",dir: "veneer" } ); A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. 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I use a metal spreader from Ace hardware that has a 1/16" x 1/16" square notch pattern. Finishing issues for the production environment The Pros. My concern with using a foam roller would be absorption of the glue. Architectural Woodworking Forum I make machined stainless steel ones ($20). Learn how to improve your output, find new markets, and boost sales of your lumber products Industry News Notched spreaders can be found at most hardware stores in the flooring department. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages it deems inappropriate. E-Mail Address: function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums. Participants should undertake the use of machinery, materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB's Message Boards after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk. Veneering FAQ Participants are encouraged to use their real name when posting. gtag('config', 'UA-9690114-2'); What about using a wet film gage? Laminating and Solid Surfacing Forum Cold press laminating normally falls into one of three categories: panel-on-frame, veneer/solid core laminating, or high-pressure laminate gluing. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. Map || Privacy Policy || Site User Agreement Other Resources Discussing topics related to adhesives within the woodworking industry Peeling off the veneer shows how well it gets covered. 2/17       #17: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Why all the hoopla about the rigid glues? For the Urea Glue you need to use the grey rubber roller. For cold press glue, always press the panel for 45 to 60 minutes and then let it cure outside of the press for 3 to 4 hours. We use foam rollers - small o.d. Laminating and Solid Surfacing Forum (. Spedizione Gratuita disponibile per membri Prime su oltre un milione di prodotti. A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches.   I am going to run the laminates through my sander rather than taking the surface out of the planer. While, theoretically, it provided an almost acceptable 7.5 mill film, actual film thickness is usually (unless you really slant the spreader) higher than the square root of the calculated notch area. These kind folks returned a vast array of comments.   Dust Collection, Safety and Plant Operation Forum As long as you mix properly, apply the correct amount and are above 70F in your shop during curing. Epoxy when you don't want to apply water (aka wood or hide glue) to one side of a piece of wood and not the other, due to the consequential warping that can result from unevenly wetting a piece of wood. Auctions, Sales and Special Offers Titebond II Premium Holzleim, wasserfester Holzkleber für den Profigebrauch, Größe: 473 ml, 1 Stück, 500-4 Titebond ZL-141/4 Ultimate Holzleim für den Innen und Außenbereich, wasserfest, 473 ml Considering I used a 55 lb scale and relatively small test pieces (~.3 sq meters), the 4 and 5.6 mil results are surprisingly close. How do we know we have the the proper amount? Btw titebond liquid hide isn’t a true hide glue but synthetic, only OBG uses high quality hide glue. Whatever it is, they have worked well for me (even w/ unfilled PVA and porous quarter grain veneer). Subject High-solids adhesives don't always perform well in terms of bond strength. Shopbuilt Equipment Gallery What about using a wet film gage? 2/11       #14: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Open Time: 10-12 minutes : 15 minutes: X-Press has a … $25.99. Discussing topics related to primary processing and drying of lumber The staff of WOODWEB assume no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or outcome of any posting transmitted at WOODWEB's Message Boards. (return to top). Sawmill Gallery (return to form) While numbers are interesting, doing test samples is the only way to get a minimal glue line with 100% veneer coverage and no/minimal bleed. Thread Related File Uploads I'd like to have both at hand. (return to form) Choose the best forum for your question, and post your question at one forum only. Subject A vacuum bag works good, or just a substrate with weight. WOODWEB suggests that businesses include an appropriately crafted signature in order to identify their company. I use a cheap plastic one from Local hardware store. Our last couple gallons of Unibond only lasts about 4 months in a cool shop. Advertising:   The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not an advertising venue. 2/10       #10: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Our last couple gallons of Unibond only lasts about 4 months in a cool shop. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; Unibond 800 is a modified urea resin formaldehyde two part adhesive with a translucent liquid resin and a powdered hardener. Architectural Woodworking Forum MSDS - 412377 SDS; Hello David, The glue spreaders we sell are designed to put down the correct amount of glue. I'd like to have both at hand. It doesn’t leave you as much time to adjust the wood as the Titebond Type 3, but you still have around 5 minutes. Dave An electronic discussion group for woodworkers throughout the world This puts on the perfect amount glue. 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